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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by LynnH » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:20 pm

In MTMM science the book/DVD set Evolution: The Grand Experiment is used. I haven't watched the DVD yet since my ds isn't to that part of the guide yet, but I did read the book and it does present what evolution believes and then points out the fallacies of evolution.
Here is the description of the student book "Pointing out the numerous mistakes that have been made in the 150 years since Darwin's Origin of Species was published, Werner examines the still-missing links in the fossil record. Chapters cover spontaneous generation, acquired characteristics, natural selections and chance mutations, the fossil record, and the formation of proteins and amino acids. Evolution: The Grand Experiment takes the unusual step of bringing together scientists on both sides of this cultural divide to present their findings. The reader is allowed to make up his or her mind as to which view is supported by the evidence. Intended for a general audience, the book is comprehensive, easy to read, and the conclusions are startling. Bright, bold photographs; short, clear paragraphs; and easy-to-understand chapters fill this glossy, colorful text. It is a book that will challenge your views and demand a verdict!"

You can go to the MTMM packages page and read the description of the teachers manual and the DVD also.

Only Carrie can tell you how she plans to cover it in High School since Biology will be covered in the World History guide that isn't out yet. I do know several people who have gone to state colleges after using Apologia or BJU and haven't had any problem with the college accepting their high school Biology credit. If a college is going to make that big of a deal out of it then I would really doubt how homeschool friendly they are and it would make me think twice about sending my child there.
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by annaz » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:07 pm

Would be interesting to know what university that was and if that's a common issue.
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by 8arrows » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:51 pm

I think that says WAY more about the institution than the child's education. I would be looking for a different college. However, I agree that you should look at the program in MTMM. It is high school worthy for part of a credit. We have used the AIG creation books (There is a set of three.) that refute many of the evolutionary arguments. I like them because they are focusing on the creation end, but they refute the evolutionary thought.
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by jenn in nc » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:21 am

8arrows wrote:I think that says WAY more about the institution than the child's education. I would be looking for a different college.
Totally agree...
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by annaz » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:04 am

I agree, which is why I was wondering which institution it was. :?
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by Tidbits of Learning » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:08 am

I am not sure how it is in all states, but we don't have to put anything about the type of curricula we use on our transcripts. All the colleges that I have looked at have a homeschool requirements for admission page and I personally don't think that is a legal question to ask or to declare credits invalid. Any diploma from a homeschooler is recognized by secondary institutions in our state and it specifically says we can use any curricula to meet the Board of Regents high school credit requirements for college. I did look at HOD's upcoming high school scope and sequence and it meets the requirements for all credits. I do think it is important as homeschoolers to be prepared for college admission and to have professional looking transcripts and know the law. We register with the state with a school name and it was advised to us a few years ago not to use your last name and homeschool in the title for your school. So we went from Last Name Home School to Carpe Diem Preparatory Academy. It makes a big difference when showing report cards or transcripts. Using a more professional school name alongside ACT scores, makes it less likely to be discriminated against for being a homeschooler and they are less likely to question mommy grades.
Our homeschool group is trying to put together a group meeting where mom's that have graduated kids and have them in college come and talk about how to make professional transcripts and how to prepare your homeschool student for college. Colleges and Universities are required to have homeschool admissions requirements posted to their web sites and readily available. I agree with the pp that the university sounds biased and perhaps has someone in admissions that is unclear of laws regarding homeschool transcripts and diplomas and they are not homeschool friendly.
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by LynnH » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:27 am

In our state colleges can ask about curriculum and you can be asked to give course descriptions,and even essay examples, and examples of tests given. Most of the State Universities do require this, but I haven't hear of them not accepting a science course because evolution wasn't taught. We only looked at private christian colleges and most of them did not require course descriptions, but one college did require these things. My daughter ended up not applying to that one so I don't know how picky they would have been. At least in our state and one neighboring one the colleges can ask for anything they want to and base acceptance on whatever they want. They aren't even required to accept a mom transcript, but all the ones I know of do. They may ask for clarification of things or additional information. It is just like the fact that they can choose whether to accept CLEP tests or not and which ones. The homeschool laws that apply to k-12 schools do not apply to colleges here.
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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by tollhousemom » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:01 am

From my experience, BJUP does teach about the theory of evolution but not from the same perspective as a secular school. So I would find out exactly what the school defines as teaching evolution.

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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by Dandelion5 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:42 pm

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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by my3sons » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Dandelion5 wrote:In our homeschool group,a mom was saying that her daughter's transcripts were not accepted by the university she applied because she has used BJU in high school. I thought BJU is very rigorous HS course,but they said that it did not teach evolution.

The ideal course for me would be one that teaches evolution in details, what the evolutionists believe,etc,but at the same time, I want a course that talks about what's wrong with evolutionism,how inaccurate C-dating is,etc , a course that emphasize God's hands in Creation,while also teaching what colleges require for admission.

I trust HOD choices for the future,but I was wondering how these matters are addressed in junior high and HS and if any supplementation is necessary.
MTMM addresses evolution beautifully and thoroughly within "Evolution: The Grand Experiment." So much so, in fact, that on several occasions for writing assignments, my oldest ds has chosen to write about it and has done so very eloquently from memory, basing his writing just upon memory from all of his years of doing HOD. Here is a link to the descriptions of "Evolution: The Grand Experiment."
http://www.heartofdakota.com/missions-t ... #evolution

It is difficult to speak in detail about how evolution will be addressed in future guides that are not yet written, but rest assured that HOD will certainly make sure this is covered well. HTH!

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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by Dandelion5 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:24 pm

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Re: How is Evolution taught in higher grades?

Post by Daisy » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:47 pm

It is the University of CA system that rejects Abeka, BJU, Apologia, and other sciences that have creation content. They also reject many Christian-based history courses. Their decision to not accept those courses has been upheld by the 9th circuit. CA homeschoolers find it very difficult to gain entrance into the UC system anyway. Most take the circuitous route of going first to community college and then transferring if they are really set on attending UC.
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